Celebrity Culture: The Take: How Pop Music Got Too Personal

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Celebrity Culture: The Take: How Pop Music Got Too Personal

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Dim impress, plz

Moreover, I think fancy Eminem (lol) used to be the first musician that I listened to (and cherished smh) that wrote very autobiographical shit.

I was in traditional college and I knew aby his mom’s Munchhausen, Kim cheating, his dick size?, and his daughter.. Fancy..

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I think fancy tune has consistently been internal most. I know moderately just a few TLC’s tune came from Tionne’s poems.

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It’s. It’s consistently been artists relish repeatedly talked about how writing the feelings in tune is also a cathartic assignment but additionally feeling it fancy it reopens a wound performing every night all over tours.

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It’s. Alanis Morissette, Fiona Apple, Tori Amos, had been all singing broad poemy songs.

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Yeah I am shocked the video didn’t point out You Oughta Know. As much as that time Alanis had been singing worthy extra industrial pop tune and no longer getting some distance but then that tune used to be a broad influential hit, no longer dazzling for the sigh/tone but due to speculation about who it used to be about.

(Did not it stop up being Dave Coulier?)

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staunch? idgi

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It has. If something else, singer-songwriters are worthy, worthy less long-established than they had been within the old century because it originated with blues, folk, and country tune, and songs are less internal most now. Per chance that’s the reason other folk take special mark of them.

And maybe singer-songwriters, or singers with moderately just a few non-public songs no topic whether or not they wrote them, are bigger celebrities because they aren’t interchangeable voices with itsy-bitsy control over their work.

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I endure in tips how obsessed other folk in college had been in early 2000s with pop artists no longer writing their fill tune. I was fancy that for awhile. Now I form no longer care.

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yeah, it be this. we started traumatic musicians who would possibly per chance perchance even express are residing and write their fill tune. dull 90s/early 00s had been extra about dancing and taking a glance factual whereas doing so. to focal point shifted.

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Yeah they had been even searching for to push that on Britney when Oops came out. Talking about how this album used to be extra internal most and stuff. I think it happens worthy extra with ladies then males (the authenticity push) because ladies in general dominate pop.

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Yeah I was 10 in 2001 and I positively endure in tips being excited by Michelle Division because she performed guitar and wrote songs. After which outraged when it used to be printed that Avril Lavigne had gotten songwriting credits for maybe altering a phrase or two on songs that had been entirely written by a official personnel.

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lol i endure in tips this too, and disfavor that i used to be fancy that pondering i’m in a position to’t write lyrics or songs for shit. it used to be very unfair and of couuuurse it used to be the feminine pop stars!! obviously.

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Haven’t watched the video in fleshy but because the foundation of the tune industry I’m gleaming particular artists had been writing about their internal most lives and relationships it’s no longer unusual.

I forgot what tune it used to be but iirc John Philips from the mamas and papas discovering out his vital other/bandmate Michelle Philips having an affair with fellow bandmate Denny and in its build of blowing up he had Michelle sit down and write down the lyrics he thought of paper. He had a quote about “why get angry when I’m in a position to form money off it” lol. I put off Beyoncé took a identical route.

Lol beyoncé and Taylor are purposely placed reason they form astronomical bucks off their lyrical sigh. Taylor especially performed the guess who recreation for fancy 6 albums straight and easiest acquired angry reason all people figured it out.

The most productive between now and the previous is that it’s no longer dazzling tune journalists/magazines within the industry pointing it out, it’s actually anyone with social media entry. Social media has def given moderately just a few other folk voices for better or worse (in long-established).

Edited at 2020-07-08 05:12 am (UTC)

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Taylor especially performed the guess who recreation for fancy 6 albums straight and easiest acquired angry reason all people figured it out.

Taylor does form a factual point about how ladies are extra referred to as out for writing about relationships than males are but I’m in a position to’t take her seriously as an artist who has admitted to purposely placing in easter eggs for her fans to search out and dissect and for my part fuels speculation about her as a particular person and her relationships.

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Yeah, is there a double normal between female and male artists? fully!

Taylor is maybe one particular person I’d no longer set up on the forefront dazzling because performed the game very overtly and aggravated all people within the assignment. It used to be waaaaay too obvious as what she doing and blew up in her face.

However yeah there tends to be extra critique for ladies over males. I think just a few years again drake used to be nearly giving out names and addresses of ex-gfs but by no device acquired as worthy press, moreso jokes. Though I’ll bellow that most steadily males are conveniently calm-ish when doing it.

Justin Timberlake is one which acquired broad lucky social media wasn’t a thing again then.

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Honestly I’m wondering how correct it even is that girls who write songs get that critique extra than males, or if she dazzling started the exhaust of that line to deflect. Since a part of the criticism she used to be shifting into the dull 2000s/early 2010s used to be that it began to appear fancy she used to be going in “relationships” simply for the sake of “writing songs about them” to advertise her album.

I realized the video didn’t even point out Cry Me a River and Everytime which is fancy high pop confessional saga.

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Fleetwood Mac singing about their internal most messy drama

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mte i came in here to point out them

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ABBA too.

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tune SHOULD be internal most – it be the coy interviews and clues within the liner notes and shoehorned references to public events/info that form it essentially tacky

I think there is consistently been some need for authenticity from performers but another folk obviously overdo it to the point where it circles again around again. Or no longer it’s why you in general get the total interviews where actors walk on and on about how they had been device performing.

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for me a performer is also two issues – a) extremely proficient, so it be no longer relevant they keep no longer write their enviornment topic, you dazzling wanna hear them express/investigate cross-check them develop or b) writing their fill stuff so despite the undeniable truth that their converse sucks (ahem, Bob Dylan) you feel a connection to their songs or take care of their artistry and abilities.

what I form no longer get is hyping up “artists” that essentially dazzling scrutinize gleaming whereas badly performing any individual else’s words and sound.

Edited at 2020-07-08 08:Sixteen am (UTC)

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idk i fancy every. i stan Mariah and her tune has consistently been internal most from the launch obviously there had been bops that werent internal most. I think if youre gunna bellow your songs are internal most you better relish had a hand in writing it coz it feels faux if all you did used to be dazzling inch into the studio and express the words that had been written out in entrance of you

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I fancy the take but I think fancy this video misplaced the thread when it acquired to Peek What You Made Me Carry out. It acted fancy that tune used to be successfully acquired and used to be a turning point in a particular device for Taylor. However to me that is when her tune was so steeped in references to her feuds that it used to be nonsense except you had the total backstory.

Plus no one would possibly per chance perchance even show to the issues of her lyrics anymore. Within the previous despite the undeniable truth that she used to be writing about a true particular person she used to be serene ready to form it long-established sufficient that most other folk would possibly per chance perchance even join with it. And additionally catchy sufficient that folk with out a doubt wished to listen to to it.

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This. If it turns into so particular to the artist that it be now no longer relatable then meh.

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Moreover as an grownup I form no longer care so worthy who wrote the tune I am listening to or who it be about. Fancy by device of pop I serene get into songs fancy Wrecking Ball and Skyscraper even supposing Miley and Demi didn’t write them.

I additionally essentially fancy moderately just a few dull 60s/early 70s folk rock but pick on no longer shimmering the specifics of what or who the tune is ready. Fancy Can’t Abet It In by Cat Stevens is one of my walk tos when I am in a factual temper but I with out a doubt don’t care if it used to be written about any individual particular or if he dazzling thought of it as a catchy tune. The issues of it to me are popular sufficient that I form no longer are wanting to dazzling think of it as being about one particular person.

I read that his tune Father and Son used to be within the foundation written for an thought album that by no device acquired carried out, and when he did originate the tune he used to be fancy “wow why does all people think this tune is autobiographical me and my dad relish a broad relationship.” And I talked about that to my dad within the future but he used to be essentially disappointed to listen to it wasn’t autobiographical since he’d linked to it as a childhood.

I tell for another folk it helps to know a tune is autobiographical because within the occasion you will more than likely be ready to narrate to it it makes you feel less by myself. However despite the undeniable truth that it be no longer, within the occasion you will more than likely be ready to search out a entire bunch other folk dwell join with it to me that achieves the identical motive.

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I think that is a in point of fact factual point! I think e.g. a fracture-up tune is also very internal most whereas serene being broad relatable because it be dazzling a in point of fact popular abilities. And I think you are staunch, as soon as the lyrics of a tune are too particularly tailored (or taylored, hah) to that one particular person and their peril easiest, the tune turns into less attention-grabbing to the sensible particular person since you can no longer show to it anymore, so if that is the case it essentially wants to be a bop to work, I think.

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Positively. I additionally realized after making that comment that I could per chance not endure in tips how LWYMMD even goes so when I reminded myself I realized it fancy barely has a melody. So with that tune she’d gleaming worthy abandoned writing a bop and dazzling tried to squeeze in as many easter eggs as imaginable.

The Memoir of Us would possibly per chance perchance even be my popular Taylor Swift tune and I’m in a position to imagine the backstory about it being written about John Mayer, but it be additionally catchy af so I hear to it dazzling for it be fill sake.

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it be amusing, I didn’t fancy Peek What You Made Me Carry out when it came out because it used to be a chunk of too on-the-nostril and wasn’t catchy sufficient to form up for it, but now that sufficient time has passed and cases relish changed in such a device that I form no longer staunch now think of Kanye or their feud because it stood in 2017, I fancy it worthy extra? I thought that moderately just a few her songs would age poorly dazzling by virtue of them being hyper particular, and I think that is positively correct of many of the shit she wrote as a teen sooner than she was uh an enlightened feminist, but idk Reputation as a entire has grown on me.

tbh I additionally think that perchance she must serene dazzling follow writing her weirdly particular lyrics because when she tries to walk generic – think Me! – it hasn’t long gone so successfully lol

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In the case of Taylor Swift and her leveraging the tabloid-esque nature most steadily of it, I consistently think of her Target ad for Talk Now where she actually looks on the camera and says she’s gonna identify names.

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I think fancy maybe I’d had been into this form of thing if *NSYNC wrote their fill songs when I was an obsessive fan in middle college. Can’t imagine caring as an grownup. I dazzling put off that despite the undeniable truth that something is galvanized by true lifestyles, creative liberties are taken.

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They did write (JC and Justin basically) and we fought about it again the. 😂

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I think there is a second at which these other folk become too rich and disconnected from the issues of regular other folk for the “internal most” lyrics to resonate, so it dazzling turns into intolerable to listen to to.

However in general other folk fancy celeb gossip and lyrics become one more device to get that identical traipse. I seen other folk searching for to scrutinize J.Lo’s Treasure? album to peer if it equipped hints to her breakup with Marc Anthony and it be fancy loved, she don’t even express her fill songs, you perceive she aint writing her truth into them…

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She sang the songs in Treasure? and writes. I dunno why y’all are consistently tryna to slander her.

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I disfavor how Taylor turns lyricism into an Easter egg hunt for whoever she’s grinding an ax against that week.

Or no longer it’s additionally form of comical when a pop star claims an album is their “most internal most yet” and didn’t write a single phrase of it.

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britney jean’s impact!